Could You Jump That? Sneaking Up on Nature’s Most(ly) Elusive Creatures

In this laugh-out-loud episode of Wildly Curious, Katy Reiss and Laura Fawks Lapole put their stealth skills to the test in a hilarious exploration of what animals they think they could sneak up on and jump. From cows to quokkas, and even houseflies, the duo breaks down the science, strategy, and surprises behind the animals' senses and reflexes. They dive into fun animal facts and make bold claims—could you really jump a deer, or maybe even a manatee? Whether you’re a nature lover or just curious about bizarre challenges, this episode is packed with humor and wild possibilities!

Transcript

Laura: [00:00:00] Hello and welcome to Wildly Curious, a podcast that tells you everything you need to know about nature and probably more than you wanted to know. I'm Laura.

Katy: And I'm Katy, and we're about to dive into nature's wonders and mysteries with a lot of laughter along the way 

Laura: We don't have any nature news today, but we did want to give a shout out to our first ever fan mail person.

Katy: Yeah, you guys can do that, too if you guys didn't see on all the descriptions that says send us a text or whatever and if you click that you can Send us messages or

Laura: know that was a thing.

Katy: I added it and didn't tell you sorry. I was in there updating stuff I was

like, let's give this a try. 

Or if you download good pods if you guys aren't listening and it depends on like what platform you're listening to But if you want a really good podcast platform download good pods And you can actually comment in there as you're listening and it's time stamped and everything now good Posh just a ton of updates.

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Laura: like an interactive experience.

Katy: Yeah, yeah, it's awesome. , so now we have fan mail if you guys click on that send [00:01:00] us a text it comes to laura9 We can see your messages. So laura, we got the first one in so do you want to talk about it real

Laura: Yeah, 

If you listen to last week's episode, we talked about the Qumran caves, and the Dead Sea Scrolls. And in that episode, Katy and I were talking about the different things, and one of those talked about the Copper Treasure Hunt Scroll, and Katy was like, I cannot believe that we don't know more about this.

And so we got a fan mail, , from someone that says, as someone who's seen every episode of Expedition Unknown, Josh Gates has done an episode on the Copper Scroll Treasure Hunt. Highly recommend.

Katy: so now I gotta look for it. I gotta find it.

Laura: So I didn't, I've never even heard of expedition unknown, but just the title makes me sound like I should see

Katy: What it's a good show That I mean, that's josh Gate's show. That's like that's what he does. It goes all kinds of cool things But

Laura: I'm, I'm into treasure hunting.

Katy: yeah, no, it's pretty cool. It is educational and stuff too. Like he does a lot of odd You A lot of odd ones as well. But yes 

Laura: thanks, Rochester, Minnesota.

Katy: yeah, was it minnesota? [00:02:00] Yeah, and I have to I have to yeah, I have to go through now and Figure out which episode that is so I can watch it because yeah, i'm curious as to what the heck I wanted to know more google didn't bring up josh gates episode whenever we were googling it

Laura: Well, I always try and think of the transition here at treasure hunting. Treasure hunting is finding things. Finding things sometimes includes sneaking and we're gonna be talking about sneaking today.

Katy: In our episode called could you jump that? So you guys know all the other ones that we've had that could you fight that could you ride that? You could you be

Laura: drink that?

Katy: did we do a

could you drink? 

Laura: good. Yes. You, what? How do you not remember that?

Katy: Was it,

Laura: the toes? The whiskey toes?

Katy: I thought that was just eat. Could you eat that? I think it was drink.

Laura: Oh, we did both.

We chose food and beverage. So was it like,

Katy: can't remember. No, I definitely remember the toe. If you guys,[00:03:00] 

yeah, I definitely remember. Yeah, no, there's, I'm not forgetting the toe. That was disgusting. 

Laura: And guess what we saw? Oh my gosh, that actually, I may, I thought about that episode just, um, like two or three weeks ago. I went to a corn maze and that corn maze was full of that corn fungus. Remember how I talked about that? No, no, no, no, no. For the, cause it was food too. And there is like a, like a corn fungus thing that, It's like a dish from, from Mexico and Central America.

Katy: oh, oh, oh.

Laura: And I was like, ugh, corn smut, that's what it's called. That's not the official term, but the, the word, the term on the street, corn smut. So of course, my friends and I, as we're going through this corn maze, we're just like, there is just smut everywhere, corn smut everywhere. We have our children here with

Katy: Yeah. Well, could you jump that? You guys know, anytime we have one of these episodes, there's parameters that are set up. So I know one of the parameters we said, we have to be [00:04:00] barefoot. 

Laura: We're like, we can be barefoot. Because the premise of this is that we can we, Katy and I think, there are some animals that we could sneak up on.

Katy: And

Laura: we have to decide like what and jump. But what does that mean? Because the more research I did the more I was like, ah, I think I need some handicaps here.

Bare feet. Okay? Yes. Do the animals have to be conscious? I mean, not dead, obviously not dead.

Katy: was gonna say, I was like, well, I mean,

it's 

Laura: unconscious,

Katy: pretty easy to sneak up on a dead animal. You know?

Laura: The only thing slower than a sloth is a dead sloth.

Katy: Right? Yes. So, I mean, I think it at least has to be awake, distracted. It could be, but I think it at least has to be awake.

Laura: okay, awake. What was the other thing that I was like, okay, I might need this. Oh, does, does it matter if it's in the open or in a forest? Does it matter the, does it matter the habitat?

Katy: I mean, wherever it would be. Like, it's own habitat. Yeah, I took it as a, yeah. Cause I know like the could you [00:05:00] fight that, we kind of did it in like a ring. In like the octagon.

Laura: Yeah,

Katy: like this one is just in it's natural, natural

Laura: cool. Not like every single one is in the open.

Katy: Yes. 

Laura: Okay. And, and, our one last question for parameters. Do you have to be the one initiating sneak? Or can, or can you be in place? I'm waiting for the animal to come by and then you jump it.

Katy: That's so specific. I'm. I don't care either way, but I'm, I know you have something, I know you, you're thinking that for some reason, and I'm excited to see why.

Laura: Okay, okay, okay.

Katy: so either, either or, 

you have to, 

Laura: because here's the thing, guys. There are very few animals on planet Earth. that

Katy: think you're underestimating.

Laura: I don't know, man. I, we'll see. I, I'll go through this, but I found out some really [00:06:00] good fun facts. One of which I'm never gonna get, and I have a much higher appreciation for this animal

Katy: Oh, good, good. I just, I think, again, this is gonna be one of those episodes like the Could You Fight That, where you and I just went totally different directions. 

I'll let you go first. Go ahead.

Laura: All right. , oh geez, mammal, bird, reptile. All right, we'll just start at the top. I have these in no particular order, not from like easy to hard or

anything, just , as my brain thought of animals, there they are. And the way I did mine was that I'm going to say the animal, give like literally a sentence of natural history, and then talk about it's.

senses, and how I think I can overcome those challenges.

Katy: Okay. That's good. That's how I did it. I mean, of course, I started with the natural history too. And then I kind of went into what it's typical, what its strengths would be and how I would overcome it. So yeah, 

Laura: okay. It's probably pretty similar. I just, I did vision, hearing, and smell.

Katy: Okay. Okay.

Laura: basically. Okay, oh, oh, and [00:07:00] precursor to all of this, I did us the favor of looking up, what is the frequency of a human footstep?

Katy: Oh, dude, I was looking at this too. Okay, okay, go ahead,

Laura: Because it matters! It

Katy: It does. No, it does.

Laura: It's 10 to 40 hertz, depending on walking speed.

Okay? 

 Human hearing can pick up 20, is it 10, 000 or 20, 000?

Katy: Mm. 

Laura: human hearing is, human hearing is definitely 20 hertz, so if you, if you do 10 hertz steps, you can't be heard. But, that's our hearing range, and that's important to know for the future.

Because animals are different. 

Katy: It's 20 hertz to 20, 000

Laura: 20, 000. Okay, that's what I thought. 20 to 20. Alright, the first animal that I would like or think that I could jump would be a cow. A domestic cow, in particular. Okay, and there's actually a lot of research done on that.

Well, thank goodness. There is actually, scientific stuff collected on cow tipping and whether or not it's

Katy: I Was just gonna say I was like as a [00:08:00] kid who grew up in Western, Pennsylvania like

Laura: tipping has been debunked. It is literally impossible because of center of gravity. But that doesn't mean the sneaking up part has been. Alright, so real quick, a cow, what is it? If you don't know what a cow is, then you're in real trouble if you're listening to this

podcast. 

Katy: in real trouble

Laura: We can't help you. But, the domestic cow, is a bovine, which is the group of animals they are.

And there's about one billion cows worldwide. So again, if you haven't seen a cow, I don't know where you've been.

Katy: Antarctica 

Laura: well, yeah, I guess so. More than a thousand breeds of cattle.

Katy: Wow.

Laura: Yeah. Alright, so, I have chosen both predators and prey.

Katy: Oh, 

Laura: To think that I could jump, but I think that I'd be better with prey, but I actually am not so sure anymore.

Katy: interesting. Okay. Maybe I'm just overconfident. Maybe it's just the animals I chose because I came in this fly I'm like, I'm gonna kill everything imaginable. Not

Laura: also was just going to jump it. I was imagining like, [00:09:00] like going Rambo on it

Katy: Just, Katy pulls out her knife and 

No, No, I wasn't. I didn't go that far. I stopped it. I stopped it once I jumped it. Okay, I didn't, yeah.

Laura: Once I jumped it, I stopped. I stopped. okay, so a cow's vision, because they're a prey animal, they have an extremely wide field of view, but all of these animals that have eyes on the side, that run and hide, Same thing I tell all the kids at the

Katy: Mm hmm. 

Laura: They have a blind spot behind them, alright?

Just cause your eyes are on the side of your head, it gives you crazy peripheral vision. But you still, your butt, still in your way. , So the Cal's field of vision is 300 to 330 degrees. So I have a 30 to 60 degree window to work in. 

Katy: Laura's in the, in the field breaking out a protractor. Like,

Laura: As long as I say, I just turn sideways and like sidle. 

Katy: Alright, guys, here we go.[00:10:00] 

Laura: here we go. So, I'm re they're red and green colorblind, which doesn't actually do much, but it's not like they can actually see red. Like, the whole bullseeing red thing is baloney. Cows do have very limited depth perception and contrast. They can't tell the difference between a shadow and a hole.

I feel like I could use that to my advantage. And, and, 

surprisingly, they can 

Katy: never mind. I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna leave it because how do they breathe? They get a shadow and a hole. Man, cows should be

Laura: they're not 

I and they can see well in low light. So honestly, unless it's dark. Okay, also we didn't talk about whether it has to be night or day. So could the cow

be awake but It's at night? It's probably my best. Okay. Okay.

Katy: It's [00:11:00] your parameters. You can give the specifications for exactly when you need to jump 

Laura: Okay. for their hearinG, they, they can hear both low and high frequencies better than humans can. Great. But they do have a hard trouble pinpointing noise. So they will become like, uh? But they don't know where that sound is coming from.

Katy: Okay, so they know there's a noise around, they just don't 

Laura: they know.

there's a noise and they can hear that there's noise better than we can.

Katy: Yeah.

Laura: And they have a strong sense of smell. All right, so how do I jump a cow? I have to Go straight up hunter like this. Like I gotta mask the scent, you know, whatever that be Like I either gotta make myself smell like a cow or smell like the earth

Katy: Wait, did you say, did you say anything about their smelling? okay, okay, okay. 

Laura: of smell. So just like a or stay downwind. I either gotta stay downwind and they have to be turned the right way so that I am approaching from the rear and I would be in camo because they can't see [00:12:00] contrast well.

Katy: With your protractor.

Laura: right? I probably have on like a ghillie suit so

that it, it like waves my contrast and then I would be coming at night.

Which is really creepy to think of, like, I, me in a ghillie suit creeping through a field of cattle

Katy: try to jump on.

Laura: Ready to get one before it falls asleep, so I don't feel like I'm taking advantage of it. But still coming up and jumping it or because it's a domestic cow It's not even gonna be alarmed if a human is coming up behind 

Katy: No, it's 

really 

Laura: actually think my best

Katy: It is.

Laura: if I make friends with the cow first, they'll let me jump

Katy: Yeah. It doesn't It doesn't even see me coming. It just It thinks They think I'm a friend. And then I betray it.

Laura: And I just jump it so cow I think I could I think so This is actually the one I feel the most strongly about unless it's a really skittish cow.

Katy: Okay, okay. [00:13:00] Alright, not bad, not bad. My first one, a housefly.

Laura: I know I'm not very good at it.

Katy: What? aye aye'm actually pretty I'm actually pretty good at it. So, a housefly, if you Again, this is another one that if you guys don't know what a housefly is Also with the cows, don't know where you guys have been. , but they're known for their quick reflexes and short lifespan spans about 28 days.

 House flies are found pretty much everywhere humans live, making them one of the most successful insects on the planet. Despite their very annoying habits, they serve a purpose in nature, which is helping break down decaying matter. They have an incredible ability to sense danger due to their compound eyes, which give them an almost 360 degree vision.

And they're extremely fast reaction times, which is around 20 milliseconds, which is pretty 

dang 

Laura: was gonna say, their little brains are processing like, Da da da da!

Katy: On average, house flies fly about five miles per hour, but it can go as [00:14:00] fast as 15 miles per hour, quote unquote, when threatened, which is what I found, which I'm like, when are they not threatened? Because I feel like house flies are always threatened. But anyway, so could I jump a house fly? One, yes.

Laura: I 

do think you could grab one. I think you could.

Katy: I, I know I could. So here's some, a little bit of facts about it. All right. Apparently, which I didn't know this, but I've seen this going around the internet recently that they can only see certain colors, white, red, and yellow are said to be colors that they can't see

Laura: Oh?

Katy: so they can see , let's say, if you have a fly swatter, that's red, they can't, I don't know if it's like they can see something, but they can't perceive the color.

You know what I

Laura: it's not that it's invisible, so they don't know what color it

Katy: Yeah, yeah, and so they just but they can't so it but because they can't see that color it almost like messes with their reaction time You know what? Cuz they just they don't know what's coming. So one dressing all [00:15:00] white. They do have to slow down when they land aye aye will say I am pretty good with sneaking up on house flies but surprisingly, I wouldn't have to be barefoot into this one because it wouldn't matter because you can walk around and choose the hearing and stuff.

That doesn't really matter because flies definitely racked off of their eyesight more than anything. And let's not forget that they always take off vertically. So if you know, so it's vertically in a zigzag when they fly. All right. So if you understand like a house flies, I don't know their reaction time and their speed doesn't necessarily matter as much as like their flight patterns.

So, you know, every time a. Say again.

Laura: Like, where they're going.

Katy: Yeah. Yeah. So if you know how they fly which is straight up So if they're landing down they're gonna go straight up because they can't like they're not like an airplane You know what? I mean? They're not gonna like run and then take off like they just

go Yeah, actually it would be kind of cute.[00:16:00] 

They just go straight up All right so if you know that they're gonna go straight up and they're going to go up and then they can zigzag. I feel like, no, I feel like, I know, because I frequently kill flies, that at least for a house fly, I can definitely have Olympic level reflexes and kill a house fly.

Again, I don't kill everything that I jump, but this one, you can't really, you can't really jump a fly without killing it.

Laura: And I, yeah, I have faith that you could, that you could jump a housefly. As long as you move faster, they just have to become complacent. You have to jump a complacent housefly. You just have to feel safe.

Katy: Yeah, right

Laura: You're just moving all the time.

As long as you constantly are moving, you're like, I don't know what's gonna happen. Wham!

Katy: So that's the smallest one

Laura: All right, cool. My next one is the turkey.

Katy: Ooh, very nice, very nice.

Laura: so this is one where I was thinking about [00:17:00] the sit and wait approach versus the act of sneaking. Because as I was reading, I've never hunted. But I, from reading online, most of my information came from hunting websites. Because they're talking about what you have to overcome in order to kill a turkey.

And , again, I don't need to kill it, I just wanted to jump it. But, for those of you not from America, , I mean there are turkeys all over the world at this point, domestic, but wild turkeys are a big game bird native to North America, like a giant chicken. The, okay, so, turkey vision. Really freaking good. but, slightly, , It's more of a blind spot than a cow, because if you think of a turkey, their eyes are on the side of their head, but they got this, fleshy bits sticking off of their head.

Anyone who hasn't seen a turkey, that's gonna sound really weird, but if you Google it, I promise you'll understand.

Katy: Ah, fleshy bits. Now I know what Lola's talking

Laura: yeah. So, they're, they have 270 degree vision.

Katy: Okay.

Laura: Which is actually, like, that's a pretty decent window

to work with. Like, I got 90 degrees to work with behind a [00:18:00] turkey. However, they have what's called 

Katy: Lauren, our protractor again out there. a whole 90 degrees to work with here, guys.

Laura: Geometry was always my specialty. Not algebra. , But they have what's called periscopic vision, because their little head is literally a periscope. 

Katy: Yeah,

Laura: with the flick of a head, they've got 360 degree vision. , in that 270 degrees though, they can see more than 3 times 20 20 vision. 

So, Yeah, yeah, 

Katy: That's some crisp eyesight. Yeah. Yeah.

What? 

Laura: and they can see eight times farther than a human.

I mean they practically have eagle eyes, you know Like they're like just like you never would have thought such a dumb looking bird would be so visually acute

Katy: But I also like that's, now every time I see a turkey, , I'm gonna have that, audio in my head, it's gears are winding. Yeah. Yeah.

Laura: Periscope up

Katy: Alright. [00:19:00] Uh.

Laura: They do have poor night vision though, because they're daytime birds.

Katy: Fair

Laura: And any animal that does have the eyes on the side of their head, they have monocular vision. So, some of these animals have some overlap in the front. Even a cow has some binocular vision. That gives you depth perception. Humans almost completely have major binocular vision.

Whereas, eyes on the side, mostly monocular. Turkeys can see in color and UV,

 Which also complicates things, and they have an extremely fast reaction time. I was reading in a magazine that if you're gonna go hunt turkeys, you have to be careful of , the detergent you wash your clothes in, because if it's extra white stuff, then it will show up fluorescent UV

to the turkey. Gotta be careful in what I wear. Hearing, average, but maybe slightly better than a human. They can smell, but it's very minimal. Turkeys are all, all eyesight. With some hearing, but nothing [00:20:00] crazy. , They've done so much on this, hunting wise, that they know that a turkey has what's called a comfort zone. The comfort zone is 20 to 30 yards. Around a turkey.

Katy: That makes sense, though.

Laura: Yeah, that's their

Katy: That's like the average introvert's comfort zone, too, I feel like. Like as long as you're

like 20, 20 to 30 yards out. Yeah, 

Laura: they're primed because they can see so far away, and they're trying to catch incoming danger.

Katy: Yeah.

Laura: They catch it on the periphery, okay? If you're actually within the comfort zone, you are less likely to be noticed than if you are outside the comfort zone.

Because they're not paying attention to what's next to them. They're looking out for danger. So, as long as I'm already there, this is a matter of, I have to, it's a sit and wait approach. I have to sit and I have to wait for the turkey. And once it's, I'm in its comfort zone, I just gotta go for it. 

Katy: I, 

immediately go, I gotta go to the trees and, [00:21:00] like, Mission Impossible down on this

Laura: yes, yes. There are some animals where that is definitely a good tactic.

Katy: boop, and get 

Laura: yeah, just dive from above. Turkeys are, a lot of the times, in forests, so I definitely think that you could be in a tree and just jump onto it. Although, we'd certainly flatten it.

Katy: It's, It's, poor little bird bone just They

Laura: if it if you didn't, it would wreck you. Because they've got some serious claws and beaks. Like, I would they would fight you, man. Yeah, I think I could jump a turkey with enough patience.

Katy: Okay, okay. Well again, as we always do, we're, we're on par for, animal similarities 

here. 

Laura: This is a chicken?

Katy: A deer.

Laura: Okay, okay, okay.

Katy: So the same, the same sort of principles here. So a deer, white Tailed deer. However, I would have to say a young or just like a not too alert deer. Cause they are, they are pretty quick and they are pretty, I mean, that's the whole point of people hunting them here in [00:22:00] the, in the U S here.

, so white Tailed deer, for those you don't know, as the most widespread species in North America, they're well adapted to grazing on plants, acorns, fruit, , often remaining motionless while they. Feed to avoid predators, their excellent sense of smell and hearing make them cautious, but young deer or those distracted while like grazing or eating can , sometimes be a bit oblivious.

Katy: They're fast runners reaching up to 30 miles an hour when startled. , but again, if they're calmly grazing, they're a little bit more vulnerable. 

So this one I found myself on a lot of, hunting forums for this one because again, this is what people do all the time. 

Laura: And stalking deer is a thing, like, that you get really close.

Katy: yes, which is just so over the top. So downwind for sure. Because you don't want to trigger the flight response. , trick is staying as quiet as possible. So one technique. All right that I found is that a lot of hunters if they're doing the stalking side of it They use what's called the [00:23:00] squirrel shuffle.

Laura: Dude, this is like in have you seen the Dune movies?, anyway, keep going and I will, I will

Katy: Okay, okay. So the squirrel shuffle. These hunters, they basically mimic a squirrel. They do quick little shuffles, but they even go as far as taking a twig or a stick and rustling it up a tree and then rustling it down. some more shuffles doing it to another tree coming up.

And that apparently works because deer are so used to hearing squirrels in the forest that they're just Oh, 

that's, that's 

Laura: this is, they're just me when I'm in the house alone and I'm like, oh, it's just the

Katy: Yeah, no, exactly. Exactly. So a lot of people actually use this technique. So while you're saying like deer, yeah, they are super sensitive for smell , and not so much like, yeah, eyesight, but not so much that it's more so their sense of smell and their sense of hearing, and you were saying about how, the decibels of which a human can hear, Deer have super, super sensitive hearing.

And so you have to beat that somehow, or you can just play along with it. And so these people that are doing this [00:24:00] squirrel shuffle, they're just playing along with it.

Laura: yes,

Katy: And so that's the direction I would go because I know I can't be quiet. I mean. 

Laura: What it reminds me of with the dune thing, so if anybody is familiar with the dune, like the movies or the books, the sandworms, when you walk across the desert, you have to walk as the sand shuffles. So you're doing this weird like, swish, swish, swish thing with your feet so that they think you're just the sand.

Same thing.

Katy: Yeah, it's the same thing. Yeah, you're just blending into your surroundings. , so then I would have to do with a squirrel shuffle stay downwind now deer, unlike the turkey, deer is definitely one that you have to Watch what detergent everything like that you use So, because they are very sensitive to that kind of stuff.

Laura: Cover themselves in urine, like 

Katy: yeah. Which is a bit extreme. I'm sorry, I'm not gonna do that. I would rather act like a squirrel than cover myself in urine. , but yeah, so that would be, that would definitely be my approach for a white Tailed deer, is just the squirrel shuffle.

Laura: Cool. My next one, is a sheep. I think I could jump a [00:25:00] sheep.

Katy: I think, I think I could jump a sheep.

Laura: So what is a sheep? Probably seen one before. They're pretty, domesticated at this point. They are wooly ruminants, which just means that they have wool, and that they have a four chambered stomach. There are over 200 breeds of sheep in the world. Okay, sheep vision, real good, like a cow, but a little more because sheep are wider than, the wool actually blocks them.

So, their field of vision is 270 to 320, so in between a turkey and a cow. 

Katy: This is another could you measure that episode. In between a 

Laura: yeah. They have a very small binocular vision, mostly monocular, again, not very much depth of perception. They can see in color, but not as well as humans, and they are very alarmed by strange colors.

, if somebody shows up in yellow raincoat, they're gonna lose their minds. So, 

like, 

earth tones. 

Katy: Let me get out my earth tones, 

and put away all the bright clothes.

Laura: Yeah, so the, the [00:26:00] cow, the deer, and this sheep, something they all have in common, , is the horizontal pupil. 

So, a lot of grazing and browsing animals have this horizontal pupil, and that gives them a wider vertical field of vision.

So not only are the eyes on the side of their head, but their actual pupil is like a big rectangle. And that increases the field of vision. And on what I was reading is cause I was like, okay, I will just jump a grazing sheep. No, when they're grazing, they have 360 degree vision because when their head is down, 

their pupils tilt like, and then they can see between their legs.

The only thing that's blocking their vision is their own body. So if their head's down, they can see

Katy: Once again, once again, I bring up the point that humans have evolved so stupidly. Like, nothing about us is built for survival.

Laura: what I was like, thank goodness we invented projectiles, because otherwise we weren't going to be eating meat.

Katy: No, there's, there's nothing. Like,

Laura: Our brains definitely had to [00:27:00] figure it out. 

Katy: right? 

Laura: their hearing is better than humans, because they can hear a wider frequency of sound, and their smell is as good as most animals and particularly sensitive to their own predators.

Okay, so basically a sheep is indestructible. Unless, , or unjumpable, I should say. 

I think. Unless, again, later in the day, not during the day. Make friends with the sheep so they're not as freaked out by you. And then try and get it from behind. I actually think that if you got it when it was in a herd, and everything is making a lot of 

they're all talking to each

other, 

it's noisy out, I am gonna rely on background noise.

to mask me coming up behind the sheep. Because for sure people have jumped sheep and wouldn't be able to shear them. You have to be able to grab a sheep. 

, wild sheep, maybe not. But domestic sheep, yes. I do think that I could run up behind that sheep and grab onto its wool 

Katy: Yes. Yeah. Okay. See, you're doing a lot better jumping these animals than what you thought. Hehe. [00:28:00] Alright, my next one. Quokka. They're small marsupial, native to a few isolated islands off the coast of Western Australia. , particular, Rottnest and Bald Islands. They've gained fame for their smiling faces and friendly demeanor. As herbivores, they feed on grasses and leaves. They only stand about a foot, Maybe two feet tall, they hop like kangaroos, but aren't as alert to danger because of the lack of predators on their ha on their In their habitat where they live.

Yep, exactly. So again, I'm like, I don't want to say I picked an easy prey, but It is though. That's a good one. That is so aye aye honestly I didn't want to say oh I'm, just gonna pick easy ones But at the same time I was like dude, I could jump this first of all I've been around rock wallabies in the wild quote unquote wild The ones that are used to people I have pictures of ones freaking sitting on my lap [00:29:00] like They're so they're so easy.

I mean, yes, if you startle it, they're gonna take off and you're done for but I feel like You Again, they're only a foot, two feet tall. I feel like if you're, they're nibbling on some grass or they're just kind of chill. They're like just under 20 miles an hour, which yes is is fast But I still feel like as long as you don't startle it I feel like because again I've been confident with my ability for rock wallabies and other ones that are basically the same size as it and they're not as agile as kangaroos are.

So that's the other thing is because there are no predators on their island They've kind of evolved to be so chill that they're just kind of like meh. They don't sense danger. Like you say complacent They're just sort of like whatever

Laura: yeah. You're just walking by and then jumping. I'm

Katy: just feel like yeah, you could just walk up right behind it and jump it So again, I don't want to be like I'm picking easy prey, but at the same time

Laura: [00:30:00] taking easy prey.

Katy: Big and 

easy 

prey. Yeah. Honestly, like the only challenge I would see with the Poco, let's say if you did startle it, or if you try to, go in and too ambitiously and you spooked it or something, you would definitely have to have the right momentum for their hopping stride. But. Still, I feel like if you could catch them while they're stationary, even mid hop, you just have to commit.

And so much in a month, you have to commit to it. And that's what's catching any animal. I mean, Laura and I have both been within zoos and stuff so long that you can't hesitate. If you're going to grab something, you've got to grab it. You just got to grab it up. Like you cannot hesitate. And that's The 

biggest thing 

Laura: The more you hesitate, the more likely you 

are to get 

Katy: Yeah, yeah, you're gonna hurt yourself or the animal itself. So you just have to commit. So Quokkas, I definitely feel like are one of the ones that I could definitely sneak up on and jump. 

Laura: Nice. How do I connect to a quokka? No, this is, uh, chubby. Alright, my next animal's chubby. I've got a walrus.

Katy: Ooh, aww.

Laura: I don't know, I just feel like [00:31:00] walruses don't do much. I don't think much phases them, is what I should say. So I think that they let me come up. They just wouldn't expect me to jump on them.

What? Ha ha ha ha

Katy: I mean, they, they can get aggressive. I mean, males can 

Laura: yes! 

Katy: get, aggressive.

Laura: So definitely, I would definitely go for a female for my own safety. Because they're very large marine mammals. We're talking hundreds and thousands of pounds.

Katy: they're huge. So are you going to go on land then? I'm assuming because I know you don't like water, anything water.

Laura: Plus, there's no way I'm jumping anything in the water.

that's not my element. Ha ha ha You, you and your belief you can ride a tuna. Ah. Laughter

Katy: was the other one? The fight that. So I would corner it and you're , in the ocean. Like. Like, yes.

Laura: So they're two sub species of walruses They live in the arctic and sub arctic oceans

Katy: didn't even know that. I didn't know that, yeah, [00:32:00] I didn't know that there were two.

Laura: Yeah, well it's the atlantic. and the pacific.

They live in different oceans. 

Katy: is there a difference though? Hold on, let me look. 

Go ahead, keep talking. 

Laura: separated by an ocean and vision, not good. Not very good. I mean, not terrible, but they're not using their vision to find their food, because walruses eat, by grazing, like, a manatee.

They've got a whiskery face, and they're going down to the bottom, and they're getting, crustaceans. Yeah, so they're not using vision, they're actually using their sense of touch. They have extremely sensitive whiskers. So I need a walrus that is not resting its head on the ground. Okay, because I don't want it to feel any vibrations.

Katy: has no whiskers. 

Laura: has to be looking around, contemplating its own existence. So not really focused on things, but not laying down. Hearing is decent. They can likely hear up to a one mile, which is better than a human.

 And their sense of smell is very good. Okay. So I have to smell like a walrus, [00:33:00] probably just me being me and like a hot summer day.

, and then sneak up on that walrus. Walrus colonies are loud. 

Like they're, they 

talk a lot. Okay. So I'm not actually worried about them hearing me. Cause I don't think that they will. I think that they're just going to be hearing each other. So I'm just going to pick my way through that walrus colony. To find a female that's not looking at me, and I'm confident that I can jump onto her.

Katy: But also, I think once you start coming though, they might start, there's gotta be like an alarm call.

Laura: That's true.

I guess I have to go for the one at the outskirts. I don't know. Come up behind a rock, and like, use rocks to my advantage,

for sure. Or ice flows, or whatever we're on.

Katy: Yep, it definitely says that they have special alarm calls.

Laura: Yeah. So, I've gotta sneak up, or be a walrus. Like, I wonder if I 

Katy: It's like it's like 

the Ace Ventura in a rhino

Laura: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Could I act like a 

walrus.

It's just me in a [00:34:00] giant snowsuit, flopping around. Would they allow me into their

colony? 

So, walrus, yeah, I'm pretty confident.

Katy: Okay. Okay. All right. Well, again, perfect transition 'cause you already said mine. Manatee. 

Laura: Aw! 

 I could totally jump on Manatee, so for those of you don't know, manatees do dugongs, very, very, very similar. It called sea cows, large marine mammals found in shallow waters along Florida's coast rivers and springs weighing up to 1200 pounds and ranging in lengths of 12 to 13 feet.

Katy: Manatees are herbivores and spend most of their time leisurely. And when I say leisurely. Leisurely 

grazing on seagrass, they are slow moving and gentle, often floating near the water surface, and they have very, , few natural predators, minus humans boats. 

Laura: I feel like they're just, this is, this is, this is, I mean, like, I'm fully confident.

You could literally just be on a boat and jump onto it like a pool floatie.

Katy: A hundred percent! Before it became [00:35:00] illegal, because now they're protected, and you can't do it, whenever I was in high school, I did the swimming with the manatees thing. First of all, I mean, you can still swim near them. You just can't approach them.

Well, whenever I went, it was a, you have to let them approach you. But , there weren't as many laws back then. Yeah, leisurely is all get out. They not a care on the world as a manatee. I mean, that's why like they're the biggest threat they face are boat propellers because they don't get out of the way. 

 But yeah, I could jump it. I mean, they don't, let me see how fast they actually go. Cause it's

Laura: There's no way it can be much. They're, they're actually, like, their bodies have barely any appendages. 

Katy: No, right? 

Laura: is like a joke of a tail.

Katy: This one says up to 19 miles an hour, it says in short bursts, but I still Normally only, they swim normally about three to five miles per hour, 

which, yeah,

Laura: But, oh yeah, no, no argument here. You can jump a manatee.

Katy: and I would love to. They're so sweet. They really are. They are amazing, amazing, [00:36:00] really cool animals. So yeah, could definitely jump a manatee.

Laura: definitely.

Alright, well, I got a bird. I chose the morning dove.

Katy: Ooh, okay, okay.

Laura: At first I was like, I'm gonna choose this one, cause they're so dumb. But they're actually really good at detecting pre I mean predators. 

Katy: That's, that's it. That's all they 

Laura: yeah, yeah. 

Katy: they can't do much else.

Laura: Morning Dove seed eating dove from North and Central America. It gets its name from the sad call that it makes, so morning, grieving, not morning, time of day.

, and most of the data that I found actually wasn't about morning doves, but it was about pigeons, and I figured they I mean they're related so it's gotta be close 

Katy: Yeah. 

Laura: like vision, hearing, all

Katy: Well, and I told you too, we did that one episode, I don't remember, I think it was one of the research ones, where I talked about how pigeons, they remember people up to like 20 years and stuff

Laura: Oh yeah, pigeons, we talked about, that in the Military Animals episode and how amazing they are. I have a mad respect for pigeons. 

Katy: I don't, but go ahead. 

Laura: I, I do. But, I, mourning doves, there's something [00:37:00] about them, like I actually, I am for like a scrappy homing pigeon. But like a morning dove, they're beautiful, but they totally, you can tell, have nothing going on in there.

And the amount of times that I'm gonna hit one with a car because it does not fly until the last second, and that is a car coming at its face, 

not from behind. Okay. Vision. They have really, really, really good eyesight. , excellent color vision, can see in UV. And they only have a 20 degree blind spot, which is our

smallest one yet. 

Katy: Okay, okay.

Laura: They're little slender heads and their eyes are so on the sides. Their second best is hearing, which is still incredible. They can hear a wider range than humans, including infrasound, 

which is things so low human beings can not hear it. And they actually think that is how, that hearing is actually a major way that they navigate because they're hearing things that we can't hear. Because they kept, it was horrible reading these, like [00:38:00] reading, I'm like diving into pigeon research studies. And they're talking about, they take human pigeons and they release them other places. And then they were like, okay, what about time of day? Okay, what if we take away, they called it a monocular pigeon, which definitely just meant that it only had one eye.

 Or like covered things with eye patches. So they're taking away one sense at a time. And so that's how they determined that hearing is actually like a major thing and smell. Everybody always thinks birds can't smell, but that's not

true. And we know that many birds have really good smelling and pigeons and doves are one of them.

They can make a scent map in their heads. So these little pigeon, these little morning doves are like, they're, they have literally been called eyes with wings, Like pigeons have. Eyes with wings, with great hearing and an excellent sense of smell. People hunt doves, though. People hunt mourning doves.

It's a game bird. So again, it is very much a sit and wait. At least it says, see what you're most successful, they [00:39:00] come in for a landing and blammo. 

Laura: you gotta snag it.

Katy: That's another commitment one, where you 

Laura: Yes, 

Katy: to, if you're gonna go for

Laura: one way or the other, because if you've ever seen a pigeon, if you've ever seen a morning dove, they're at our feeders all the time, and they are real skittish, they don't let me get too close, but the amount of time it takes to get that fat little body off the ground, if I was quick enough, 

I could snag it as it's lifting off, because 

you can see it's like effort, , they're chubby, and it takes a lot to get them off the ground, But, once one gets off, they all go, because if you've ever heard when mourning doves flap their wings, it makes a whistling noise.

Katy: hmm.

Laura: That's, they have specialized feathers that create that whistle noise that they think is alerting other doves to the, to predators. I have to snag it, I have to commit, and I have to wait there for it to land in front of me so that I can grab the pigeon. I don't know. I think I could get a morning dove, and honestly, maybe I could.

I might have a better luck grabbing it from my car window, because they clearly aren't afraid of [00:40:00] vehicles. 

Katy: Right, just drive by, open up the car door, 

Laura: whack it.

I'll just grab it, snag it while I'm driving a drive by.

Katy: Sneak attack.

That's a good one. I still hate pigeons. All right, my next one, I don't know how to transition because it's the aye aye. 

Laura: Ugh, 

Katy: a lemur native to Madagascar.

Laura: about this one before.

Katy: hmm. It's known for its large eyes and long, long spindly like middle finger. Yeah, that it points. it uses the middle finger to tap on tree bark and locate insects to eat.

They definitely do, eerie. Eye eyes are absolutely harmless. They've caught a bad rap because of, the bad omens around them and everything like 

Laura: yeah, what you can catch in one of our episodes about,

it's like a Halloween y episode, right? Yeah,

Yeah, something about spooky animals or, 

Katy: are ish small. Um, Their bodies are only about 14 to [00:41:00] 17 inches, or 36 to 43 centimeters, plus the tail then, which is like a couple feet long. . They are mostly all tail again. They're a lemur. They are pretty agile climbers.

They can hop from branch to branch. However, their top speed is literally only a couple miles per hour. So they're not very fast. Considering like the other lemurs that go and can be like

incredibly fast. yeah, these ones, not, not, not so much. And, Everything that I was seeing as far as speed wise, it says traveling up to two and a half miles per hour.

So that's like their top speed is up to 2. 

Laura: Again, here Katy is just jumping us nocturnal sloth. Just

Katy: Wait. The, the, could you jump that? I am succeeding with flying colors

Laura: Yeah, Katy's gonna win, no matter what it 

Katy: Yeah, yeah, right. That's all I'm about. I [00:42:00] was just, I'm, I'm gonna win this. I picked either the dumbest or the slowest

Laura: That's why I came into this and I was like, I don't think I could jump any of these and Katy's like, uh, Definitely can.

Katy: Also, I'm just overly confident with most things that take, like, athleticisms. I'm just like, oh, I can totally do this. Like, it's fine. they're If the animal's adaptation haven't failed them already. Like, my sheer determination is stubborn as 

Laura: If Mother Nature hasn't failed them already, I'll get them.

Katy: Oh, I'm gonna make that a quote for something. But yeah, so an aye aye. , whether it's on the ground or in a tree, they're just they're not fast at all. Honestly, because they are nocturnal, the hardest part is gonna be 

seeing one for me. yeah, 

it's just gonna be that's gonna be the hardest part is me actually being able to find one, um, to jump.

But other than that, yeah, I could totally jump an aye aye.

Laura: All right, on to my [00:43:00] predators. I will go with my nocturnal one. This is the one I was laughing so hard about. About this one, so, the American Toad.

This is my, This is my, throwaway one, because I know I can catch

toads. So, this is, this is the one that I am most confident in. But the American Toad, I chose because it's the one I'm most familiar with, and they're right around here.

They're an amphibian from North America. They are nocturnal, and they have dry, bumpy skin. Classic toad.

Katy: Yep.

Laura: So, toads, I have to we have toads at work. I know I've talked about them before, and they're one of my favorite animals to work with, because they're so funny in how food motivated they are, and they just have a lot of personality for a toad.

 As far as vision goes, they have the most gorgeous eyes. I always tell the kids at work, I wish I had towed contact lenses because they have the most beautiful golden eyes for seeing in the dark. But not only can they see in the dark, they can see color in the dark.

, they have a crazy I didn't either. They, have [00:44:00] two types of neurons that are activated. They're activated by different types of threats. Thanks. Some are activated by large objects. that are perpendicular to the toad. Okay, so up and down. And other ones that are activated by objects that are moving towards it.

So it's got different brain things going on depending on movement. But if anybody has ever tried to feed a toad before, you know that whatever you feed them has to be alive because they don't react to stationary

Katy: Mm mm. 

Not at all, yeah. And, 

Laura: to be moving. I

Katy: you can't really fake it either with a toad. You know what I mean? Like, they just don't.

Laura: and weave around a dead cricket, but usually they just don't go for it. The higher the contrast, the more response that the toad has to something. So if you have a, if you are the same color as the background, they might react, but it's not going to be nearly as drastically as if you're a white object in front of a black background.

 They do have a more, They have more binocular vision in front than a frog does, so they're definitely more [00:45:00] hunting in front, whereas a frog is more hunting aerially, so their eyes are actually skewed up, whereas a toad is skewed forward, so when a toad is hunting, it's constantly orienting its body to get it in full binocular vision, even though its eyes are still very much on the side of its head.

 My favorite thing to read though was that toads react to rectangular objects moving across their field of vision as worm like, and objects that move up and down across their vision as toad like. So in my head, toads are definitely just like, Worm, 

Katy: Anti 

Laura: a worm.

Worm, not a Worm, Like, and working with those girls, a thousand percent. Food, not food. That's all that matters. Their hearing is much more limited than humans. They can only hear in the lower range. 

Their trill is high, but we can't, we're hearing way louder. They just don't have the same mechanisms for hearing.

Although they are called. Eared toads, which is a term that I [00:46:00] had no idea because earless toads don't have that tympanum. 

These do. And then they do have a sense of smell, but nobody knows how good it is. All right, and with their hearing, it also said that they can tune out anything they think is irrelevant.

So man, bless those toads, all they're thinking is worm, not worm, and everything else is just background

noise, like, 

Katy: just

Laura: matters, just, so, I really think I could jump a toad. Size regardless. Of course I can because I'm much bigger and faster than a toad. They can't hop that fast.

Katy: No, 

I 

Laura: They're camouflaged, but for sure, I can get pretty close to a toad even because they're just not paying attention if I don't act like a worm.

Katy: right? Antiworm, if you will. Yeah. That's awesome. All righty. My next one, tree kangaroo, another marsupial, cause I love my [00:47:00] marsupials, , and my australian species. They live in a rainforest in Papua New Guinea in northern Australia. Unlike their ground dwelling relatives, tree kangaroos are excellent climbers, using their strong limbs to navigate the canopy.

On ground, they're a lot slower and a lot quicker. more awkward in their movements, body wise are about two to three feet tall and they hop around like regular kangaroos, but are much more home in the trees. So how would I jump it? One, get it while it's on the ground. And two, if it was in the trees, it would have to be more of like how your approach was earlier, but the sit and wait.

So on the ground, their top speed is not quite three miles per hour. So again, I just picked the slowest animals, but in the

trees, yeah, I'm gonna win, but in the, in the trees though, they can go as fast as, let me see here, 25 [00:48:00] miles per hour in short 

bursts. Yeah.

Laura: That's a big difference.

Katy: A lot of it has to do with their tail. So their tail, just like a kangaroo on the ground, acts as a counterweight.

It's just because they're in arboreal and they're in , the trees, they can get pretty fast in the trees just on the ground. They're incredibly, incredibly slow. And so I would have to like, In the trees like what Laura you were talking about before it's more of a sit and wait situation And the trees for me, it would definitely be more of a sit and wait situation But because I want to win I would just wait for it to 

go to the 

ground. 

Yeah, and then just jump it when it's all but three miles per hour at its top ground speed So and it's another one of those ones like the coca with they're just like really

Laura: I just feel like anything in the kangaroo family that you got the jump on would be so insulting.

Katy: No I would love it though

Laura: I jump things. I'm a jumper and I have been jumped.

Katy: Yeah, right Again though, my dream is to just own a bunch of land and own a bunch of [00:49:00] kangaroos so I can be a mob boss. And

Laura: I have actually seen a kangaroo male jump a full grown man from behind. And beat the

It was I couldn't It was so much a human jumping another human because the kangaroo just started punching him in the head,

Katy: yeah,

Laura: behind him. It snuck up, jumped him from 

Katy: yeah, 

Laura: punching him in the head.

Katy: yeah. I love kangaroos, but man, they are brutal. Especially the big ones. But I mean, tree kangaroos are small, they're slow.

Laura: Yeah, no, this was a red kangaroo.

Yeah, they were like the same size. It was like a full grown man and a full grown kangaroo 

Katy: Yeah, 

Laura: they hated each other.

Katy: yeah, dang. So yeah, so tree kangaroo.

Laura: Cool.

All right, 

Katy: your last one, right? Yep.

Laura: last one. My last, and it's a predator.

I thought about this a lot, but I do believe that I could jump an alligator.

Katy: Oh, yeah. No, I could.

Laura: An alligator is an American crocodilian with a wide snout, mostly aquatic and carnivorous. [00:50:00] The, again, , the eyes on everything but us. This is 

just 

amazing. 

Katy: Right? Yeah.

Laura: Alligator and crocodile eyes are on the sides of their head. Although there are predators. So normally you think about predator's eyes as being in the front.

Crocodiles are not like that. They're ambush predators and they are scanning the shoreline. Not looking in front of themselves for food. They're really looking at a 45 degree angle. They can see in the dark. They can see in color. They can't focus underwater, but they can see light, because they have a third eyelid that they can see through, so they can at least see movement underwater. Their vision is less precise than ours by about six to seven times, so things are not as clear.

Katy: Yeah. Interesting.

Laura: But they have the perfect eyesight for what they do and more research has been done about this and different crocodilians have different color vision depending on if they spend more time on the land or the water or if they live in salt water or fresh water.

Katy: Cool.

Laura: But [00:51:00] their eyes, are up and down like a cat's. So you would think that would not help them to have a wide field of vision for seeing the horizontal shoreline. Not true. The horizontal, the vertical pupil is just helping with light so that they don't get overwhelmed by sunlight when they're basking.

But they're nocturnal, so they usually have that big round pupil, we just 

don't see it. 

Katy: Yeah.

Laura: But what helps them to have a very, even though their eye is narrow, they have a very wide field of vision. They actually haven't found another animal like this. There's a whole bunch of research articles on this that they have you have something in your eye That's a focal point.

Okay, and it helps you see a pinpoint It helps you to be able to read Essentially it helps a human to be able to read it pinpoints your focus on something all animals have this kind of focal point but normally it's a small cluster and ours is round like our pupil An alligator or crocodile has one that those You Those eye [00:52:00] receptors.

It's called a fovea. In some animals, it's rounded and horizontal like in the deer. Okay,

that stretches it out, but isn't, 

clear. The crocodile has a dent in theirs and it has stretched those ganglia out Horizontally in a vertical pupil which means that they can see with perfect clarity a line Like on the shore Unlike a deer who has a wide field of vision, but it's not necessarily precise So this is made for hunting, but it's made for hunting the way that they do, which is just amazing.

Katy: Yeah. That is neat.

Laura: So can't jump them unless it's from behind. If you're relying on vision, , their hearing does of course, because their reptile is less than a human, but they can hear in and out of the water and they can adjust their hearing levels by tightening and loosening. a muscle inside to hear better in the water and then hear differently on the [00:53:00] land.

They have a great sense of smell and they have one of the best senses of touch in the animal kingdom because of their chemical on electric receptors. So no jumping a crocodile or alligator in the

water. It has to be on land, has to be on land, has to be basking coming from behind. I think I could do it because especially if it's a big one,

Katy: I was gonna say, 

they're way more docile than a 

crocodile or a saltwater croc or 

Laura: I think, yeah, I think that they just wouldn't think that anyone was gonna jump on its back. 

Like, have predators. 

 I just think the larger the alligator, the more I'd be like, Whatevs,

Katy: Yeah, but I mean people in zoos, I mean people in zoos, I mean for medical and stuff like that like they 

Laura: Yeah, I had to help catch up alligators before. I didn't do the catching, I just did the wrapping and the carrying. 

But, I mean, I've seen it, 

them get jumped. 

Katy: again. It's commitment all about commitment 

Laura: But they are amazing hunters. 

Katy: Alrighty, well my last one, , not to be outdone with all my other easy [00:54:00] ones, but a panda. 

 So the giant panda, native to China, of course, primarily eats bamboo, , spends about 12 hours a day grazing. If you haven't listened to our episode about why you shouldn't be alive, Panda definitely made an appearance because again, they are a conservation hog.

All animals have their places. However, pandas are definitely one that it's

Laura: Nature just didn't love.

Katy: Yeah, and and it just sucks up conservation funding, out the wazoo So first off pandas are fairly slow, they can get upwards of 20 miles per hour, but they generally don't 

Laura: Because they don't have enough energy because all they eat is bamboo.

Katy: Yeah, in only a few different species of bamboo, and it doesn't, and their digestive system really isn't made right for 

bamboo, like, 

Laura: eat all day to survive.

Katy: Yeah, right, 

Laura: Eat and sleep.

Katy: yeah, I would say, the biggest challenge with jumping a panda is it's basically like a fluffy boulder, so it's their girth is like 

Laura: Yeah. 

Katy: [00:55:00] issue, 

Laura: I just imagine you jumping on it with all arms and legs spread.

Katy: yeah, right, just, yeah, but they're, they're not big, but they're big enough, 150 to 300 pounds ish, and they're several, a few feet tall or so but , they're girthy. And so , that would be the hardest thing is to grab it, other than it's just chunky, junky body.

So, how I would jump it, pretty much night or day, any time. Like, it's not, it's not gonna

be, Yeah, night or day, I could jump a panda. Sitting up, laying down, while it's eating, while it's not eating. I feel like while it's eating would definitely be easier because they're distracted. 

Laura: yeah. And crunching. It would be very loud crunching.

Katy: they're always, yeah, they're always, they're very loud.

 But they're not exactly intelligent. , they don't really have any natural predators where they are. , they're just not I mean there's, they're funny, they're great to have around to laugh at, , but that's about [00:56:00] it. 

So yeah, again, I don't want to say I know it's a giveaway, but I could definitely take a panda and make sure you guys go back and listen to the How are you still alive episode because We go into more about pandas in that one.

So I didn't want to rehash all of that out, but it doesn't blend in to surroundings. There's nothing about it. That's really meant to adapt to anything. It should, it should be extinct. I could definitely jump a panda.

Laura: I think you're probably right. So yeah, I think there's some things that we can sneak up on. 

Let us know if you guys think if there's, well yeah, okay, you're, for sure, there's definitely some things. Let us know if you disagree with any of what we've said.

Katy: I win. No, no.

Laura: Oh yeah.

Katy: Alright guys, well make sure you check us out on Patreon at BeWildlyCurious. If you search that, you'll find us, you'll see all the unedited video that Laura and I do and some other behind the scenes pictures and all kinds of other fun stuff that we've been posting on there. , so go support us. It helps Laura and I to [00:57:00] continue to do this and be able to bring you, , more of Katy's throwaway fight content.

 But, haha. But you can see all the videos, so yeah. It definitely helps us out, so if you guys could go, run over to Patreon and give us some support, that would be huge for us.

Laura: Thanks everybody. We're next week's cave stuff. More caves.

Katy: More 

Laura: Katy's 

Katy: Yeah, which we have more, let's see, oh, it's me for next week then. , that cave stuff. I don't remember which one, but I'm sure it's gonna be great.

 Whichever one it is. Alright, everybody, 

Laura: see you next week.